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Old 10-12-2005, 08:39 PM   #1
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If the Angels were tired after their late-night work in the Division Series, it sure didn't show as Paul Byrd tossed six solid innings and Garret Anderson homered to sink the Sox in the ALCS opener.
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Old 10-12-2005, 09:49 PM   #2
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Can't help but pick the Sox. I just want to see what Guillen will say if they win it all.
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Old 10-12-2005, 10:57 PM   #3
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I'm still with the White Sox in this series.
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Old 10-12-2005, 11:29 PM   #4
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WOW.The "no call" on the 3rd strike? Not to mention the Cano call in the Yankees series. The umpires need to be much much more decisive and vocal on their calls. Why are the umps even a story in the post season? Something needs to be done quick. Kinda get that "fixing" feeling.
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Old 10-12-2005, 11:36 PM   #5
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I'll admit it was a b.s. call. It should have been appealed to 3rd base way before it was. Even as such, it was hard to tell when they zoomed in on the catch. But, hey, I'll take what is given. Go Sox!
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Old 10-13-2005, 01:01 AM   #6
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I didn't get a chance to see the play live, but this is why you run every play out. AJ is one guy that never gives up until he's called out by an ump. I expect better from the Angels than that. AJ isn't fast, throw the ball to 1st and get the out there if you don't hear the home plate umpire call the guy out.
I hope this play doesn't cost the Angels the series. It would be a shame if it did.
The Sox needed the win tonight more than the Angels did. You do not lose the first 2 games of a 7 game series in your home park and win the series very often.
All this said, it appears that Buehrle was on form tonight. This is good for the Sox. They'll need another win from him if they want to move on.
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A friend of mine said he went frame by frame & the ball can be seen jumping by a half ball. I just saw the replay & while it looked the first time that he caught it, the next time it looked like he double clutched which if the ball dropped in his mitt & hit the ground or not, I think it possibly influenced the ump.

But a win is a win especially since after that,the Sox got a steal & then the big hit. They still capitalized on the opportunity...
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:32 AM   #8
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Yeah, it's interesting to note that both of the White Sox runs were unearned. Talk about making the most of opportunities.
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to make it simple the catcher should have applied the tag to AJ when he didn't hear the umpire say anything after strike out- it's like poker, you verbally call what you are doing before hand. AJ was smart enough to understand the play was still alive after there was no verbal call by the ump and did the right thing by running to first. sucks for the Angels but it's a fundamental error.
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i just heard the catcher was just entered in the game where as AJ had been in all night. Josh Paul wouldn't have been used to the umps manerisms and AJ clearly was. I think he turned to go to the dugout and realized the ump didn't say batter out or whatever he normally did and that's why AJ started to run to first.
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I saw the umpire try to make up some excuse about his mechanics after the game, didnt work too tell.
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Old 10-13-2005, 06:52 PM   #12
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there's nothing wrong w/ mechanic. his raising fist means "strike three" which is why he used it. he never verbally announced an out was made so the play was alive. no excuse for Josh Paul's error.
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On the replay, in my opinion, the ball did hit the ground, but there is no way that any umpire could have been able to see that because it didnt hit the ground until it was surrounded by the catchers glove.

As for the umpire, a good "illustration" was brought up by John Kruk on Sportscenter. At one point in the game, a similar play happened, in which a player swung at the third strike, but it was in the dirt, and the umpire then put his hand out to the right signaling that there was no contact, but he didnt make the "out" or "3rd strike" motion until AFTER Pierzynski tagged the Angel batter, which made it an out. If he is going to do that, then it should be the same for the whole game. On all the other 3-strike calls, he used that motion meaning 3rd strike, and out at the same time, so why make it different for this last play of the game??
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its all avoidable if the kid make the correct play and just apply the tag. he never heard the umpire say "out" so assume it's live and make the fundamental tag. inning over. no drama.

anyone for instant replay?
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anyone for instant replay?

no,no,no I never want to see instant replay in baseball ever. 1. the game is slow already and 2. I like the "I made a call deal with it" attitude of the umps. Curt Schilling aside of course.
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