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Old 03-12-2005, 05:55 AM   #1
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Default Being politically correct to the point of utter stupidity...

A perfect example of how the world of "equal rights" is nothing more than another term for "screw the fact that it's idiotic, we have to be politically correct".

No way do women have the right to be in certain positions they can't handle. While there are examples of men who have been in comparable situations & have failed, women are even in a worse position by not physically being equal to men.

It's impossible to always have the biggest & baddest guards to handle these lunatic denizens of the armpit of society but to have a woman go toe to toe with a man is something that's totally insane. I'm sick of hearing crap like this, seeing Cops on TV where women police officers are being tossed around like rag dolls by some 58 year old drunk who won't go quietly, women going to war to fight in the trenches, etc....

It's admirable that some women want to pursue this type of career but they shouldn't be able to get these positions just cuz they have the "right". This should never have happened if they would have realized this guy was plotting mayhem before in jail & been on their toes but they would have stood a better chance if a guy was there transporting him. Add the fact that he was alledgedly a rapist which points to his predatory view on women & it's not only stupid but a shame.

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Ga. courthouse killer evades manhunt

Car stolen by suspect found mile from where judge, 2 others killed

ATLANTA - Brian Nichols appeared to have been plotting violence the day before he allegedly went on a rampage during his rape trial Friday.

Authorities believe Nichols sharpened parts of a door knob assembly into dangerous weapons and showed up to court Thursday with the objects in his shoes, prompting the judge and prosecutors to request extra security.

But police say Nichols found another way to carry out his attack. The 33-year-old former computer technician allegedly overpowered a sheriff’s deputy leading him to court and stole her gun, then killed the judge and two other people. Authorities said he later pistol-whipped a newspaper reporter, stole his car and fled, creating widespread chaos across Atlanta.....

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Old 03-12-2005, 11:37 AM   #2
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Interesting point, Tarkus... I wouldn't be in favor of banning people from certain jobs just based on their gender. There may be a very strong woman who could do the job better than a lot of men. This might be a rarity, granted, but if a person can pass a rigorous strength test then I think they should be able to apply for the job regardless of their gender.
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Old 03-12-2005, 02:07 PM   #3
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I agree with Shawndo. Plus, to be a couthouse deputy, (or any job where you have to deal with criminals...I know because I worked for the Stark Country Parole Authority, where my dealings with parolees was infrequent but existent) of course you have to prove yourself physically, and those tests are not pushovers by any means). Do we even know if the powers-that-be that hire courthouse deputies even practices any kind of gender-based affirmative action?

Your insinuation that this wouldn't've happened if he had been escorted by a man is presumptuous at best. Now that she's convalescing (the guard he stole the gun from didn't die), I'm sure her family would just LOVE to her your sentiment.
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Old 03-12-2005, 02:18 PM   #4
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I'm afraid I'm a dinosaur on this one guys....

Shawn, I agree there may be a woman strong enough but that one is few & faaaar between. I would agree on the surface it might seem gender biased tho the setting of some bar for strength & ability would basically weed the majority of women I'm talkin' about.

KB, re-read my post. I never insinuated that it wouldn't have happened if it was a man. All I said was if it was, at least HE stood a better chance moreso than a woman.

I know it's not a great paying job & instances like this happen but why stack the deck by adding the hurdle of having a woman be the last line of defense?? I just don't agree that women are suited for these type of jobs....period....
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Tarkus I know where you're coming from, I just think the door should technically be left open, in all fairness, to that RARE woman who is rough and tough and actually wants that job.. if she can prove herself, I wouldn't deny it to her.

However, anything like Affirmative Action where there is some sort of quota - "you must have at least X amount of females/minorities in the business", is ridiculous.. IMO.

I think G.I. Jane was a really great movie, along these lines. Let her in if she can prove she's up for the job, and hold her to no higher standards than any other candidate.
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Most courthouse guards I've ever encountered wouldn't have stood a chance with that guy, male or female. He looks like a complete bad ass. In every sense of the word.

I'm not a death penalty guy, but the feds and the state of Ga will waste little time getting him onto Death Row, and likely, his execution will be accelerated to happen as soon as possible.

On an unrelated topic: what happened to DublinMike? I thought of him when I was watching a recap of this story this morning.
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Dublin Mike has an extended abscence a few months ago too, and when he came back, didn't he attribute it to computer or financial issues or moving, or something?
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anyone PM him? I enjoyed his contributions as well...
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Old 03-14-2005, 12:18 AM   #9
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Most courthouse guards I've ever encountered wouldn't have stood a chance with that guy, male or female. He looks like a complete bad ass. In every sense of the word.

I'm not a death penalty guy, but the feds and the state of Ga will waste little time getting him onto Death Row, and likely, his execution will be accelerated to happen as soon as possible.

On an unrelated topic: what happened to DublinMike? I thought of him when I was watching a recap of this story this morning.
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That's true, Dave. The accused rampage killer was a former small-college football player and probably would have been more than a match for most sheriff's deputies, regardless of gender.

There are a lot of questions about how this happened, none of which have to do with the guard's gender.

First, was this guy shackled and cuffed while this was going on? If not, why? And if not was this female deputy guarding the prisoner solo? If so, why? If not, where was her partner?

I've talked about this issue extensively with a police officer who works as an instructor at the Allegheny County (Pa.) Police Academy (For those non-Pennsylvanians, that's the county that includes Pittsburgh). This officer told me that officers, because they are "walking arsenals" (his words) try to avoid close-quarter physical confrontations.

That's why that particular officer prefers using pepper spray to stun guns -- with stun guns, you have to get within arm's length of the attacker.

And, male officers get their guns taken from them, too.

Brute force isn't the only attribute necessary to being a police officer, Tark. Women bring other qualifications to the table.

That said, female police officers should be physically fit. So should male ones, and I've seen more than a few male officers who would be ineligible for their jobs on that basis.

On the humorous side, I was once on a career day program with the local police chief -- I talked about being a newspaper reporter, and he talked about his job.

This one sixth-grader raised his hand and asked the police chief if he liked donuts.

The chief put one hand on each side of his not-inconsiderable belly and said, "Look at me. Of course I like donuts."
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Old 03-14-2005, 07:54 AM   #10
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I'm not gonna read this whole thread... so this might be out of line with what everyone is saying but all I have to say about "equality rights" is this: that if I have to write "he or she" to be politcally correct in an essay I write (rather than just "he" when clearly I mean EVEYRONE, including "she's"), then they should rewrite all of the Canadian Criminal Code to write "he or she" instead of just referring to every criminal in the code as a "he."
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And, male officers get their guns taken from them, too.

Brute force isn't the only attribute necessary to being a police officer, Tark. Women bring other qualifications to the table.

That said, female police officers should be physically fit. So should male ones, and I've seen more than a few male officers who would be ineligible for their jobs on that basis.

Good points, ESP...

But what I was referring to is that in this situation, brute force can be necessary & women are ill-equipt to provide it. This isn't gender biased tho you could say the majority of women are genetically challenged in that department.

Of course women bring a lot to being a police officer but at the same time, it's a job that can be violent. & it's not to say that there aren't a lot of male cops/ deputies who aren't in great shape or are slight of build. Those are other examples of not having a complete preparedness for what the job fully entails & also should be addressed.

Of course it's hard to find good help at times but if that's the case, raise the pay & open up the market a bit. The majority of fireman I've known & seen are more apt to be in better shape than the police based on how physical their job is. I believe that while police don't have as physical a job as a rule, they should be held to the same physical standards.

But realizing the areas like that that need attention also shouldn't be further compounded by putting women on the front line. It's not about their brains but about their brawn...or lack thereof...
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Eric--You asked if the guy was shackled and cuffed. He was not. I heard this morning (but haven't verified this myself, so I may have bad info) that he was unshackled and uncuffed because Georgia law states disallows such practices for the accused as they enter the courtroom. (Prejudicing the jury.)

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Eric--You asked if the guy was shackled and cuffed. He was not. I heard this morning (but haven't verified this myself, so I may have bad info) that he was unshackled and uncuffed because Georgia law states disallows such practices for the accused as they enter the courtroom. (Prejudicing the jury.)

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Since I posted earlier, I'd heard the same thing. I've also heard that the deputy who was overpowered was working alone.

Not to be a smarta**, but why?
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Cuz it's another bizarre law that does nothing but raise the risk. A great example of "what the Hell were they thinking???".
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