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Old 10-22-2007, 09:54 AM   #1
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Default Can we agree? Big Ben isn't good.

Look what happens when the Steelers try to win a game through the air - they lose to a team that is inferior, in almost every way. When the Steelers try to win a game like the Patriots win games, they get embarrassed. Big Ben makes far too many mistakes and is far too unreliable to ride for an entire game.

For the Pittsburgh Post Gazette:

"Throwing the ball 21 times in the first half against the league's worst rushing defense is an unpardonable sin, especially when it resulted in two touchdowns. Ben Roethlisberger threw two interceptions in the first half, leading to one touchdown, and his fumble on a sack resulted in a 50-yard scoring return. "

The Steelers are not good because of Big Ben, they are good despite him.
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Old 10-22-2007, 10:25 AM   #2
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Great form :lol:

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Old 10-22-2007, 10:29 AM   #3
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At least he threw four TD passes.
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Yeah, but when he throws more than 25 times, you can count on a bad day in Pittsburgh.

He makes a lot of good play, but way too many bad plays. His ability to avoid sacks can be good, but it also causes a lot of turnovers.
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Fresh, I've been cryin this since he came into the league. I always thought he was a horrible QB and all he could do was manage a game.
I broke down every game of his the SB year or the year before (can't remember) and everytime he had 19 attemps or less (yes 19 attemps!!) they won. When ever he had over 19 attemps they lost that year. Those numbers speak for themselves. All he can do is hand it off. It they lost their RB, they would be nowhere!
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Old 10-22-2007, 05:35 PM   #6
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Yeah, if anyone benefits from a good defense and solid running game, it is big Ben.

As I said before, put Ben on the Bengals and the Bengals are 0-6. Put Carson on the Steelers and the Steelers are 6-0.
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I agree he is overrated as far as passers go in the NFL. But I would hardly say he is horrible. He has completed 63% of his passes, has a 101.1 passer rating, and is on pace for 35 TDs this year. Those are not exactly the marks of a horrible passer. I would agree that he is a guy who is more adept at not losing games as opposed to being able to carry and offense and win games for a team.
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Ok... horrible may have been a bit overboard considering he is being compared with other QB's in the league named Collins, Vinny T, Tavaras Jackson, Dilfer, Bulger, Greise, Leftwhich, Lemon, Pennington (shall I go on ). I guess when you stack him up against those guys he's not "horrible".
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:55 AM   #9
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Look what happens when the Steelers try to win a game through the air - they lose to a team that is inferior, in almost every way. When the Steelers try to win a game like the Patriots win games, they get embarrassed. Big Ben makes far too many mistakes and is far too unreliable to ride for an entire game.

For the Pittsburgh Post Gazette:

"Throwing the ball 21 times in the first half against the league's worst rushing defense is an unpardonable sin, especially when it resulted in two touchdowns. Ben Roethlisberger threw two interceptions in the first half, leading to one touchdown, and his fumble on a sack resulted in a 50-yard scoring return. "

The Steelers are not good because of Big Ben, they are good despite him.

The Broncos are inferior to just about nobody when they're coming off a bye week, as they are tied with Philadelphia and Minnesota for the NFL's best post-bye record straight up at 15-4 - and their 15-4 spread record following a bye week is alone atop the league (Dallas is second at 12-5-1).

And whoever wrote that article must hold some personal grudge against Roethlisberger: Since when is it the QB's fault for "allowing" a touchdown when the interception places the ball at the intercepting team's own 39-yard line? Obviously Pittsburgh's defense had more than ample opportunity to stop them; and if he disagrees, where does he draw the line - their own 1?

Considering where he played his college ball, Roethlisberger is way, way ahead of where he should be at this point in his NFL career.
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The Broncos are inferior to just about nobody when they're coming off a bye week, as they are tied with Philadelphia and Minnesota for the NFL's best post-bye record straight up at 15-4 - and their 15-4 spread record following a bye week is alone atop the league (Dallas is second at 12-5-1).
That record means nothing to me. 15-4? How many of those players from 19 years ago are still on the team?

Satistics that go that far back are meaningingless - the Broncos are a different team completely.

Does the record of th '76 Steelers have any impact on a game played in '07? Of course not... Just like their record over the last 19 years after a bye week is meaningless.

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Considering where he played his college ball, Roethlisberger is way, way ahead of where he should be at this point in his NFL career.
Roethlisberger is over-rated. He is not terrible. He can make plays and he has a decent arm. He is simply not very smart. He takes way too many chances... Not like Brett Farve either. Roethlisberger doesn't know how to just take a sack or throw the ball away... He tries to make every play positive. That can be a good thing, until you turn the ball over 5 times in a game because of stupid decisions.

He is not even a top 10 QB in the league.
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Anthony just loves to throw out stats that date all the way back to the 1630's or Iron age.... get used to it

Is he a top 10 QB in the league? Honestly... tuff to say Fresh due to who he's up against. Is he good? No. I'll always say no until he does something spectacular. But Fresh - name me the top 10 QB's in league you would want right now.
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Considering where he played his college ball, Roethlisberger is way, way ahead of where he should be at this point in his NFL career.
Chad Pennington, Byron Leftwich, Ben Rothlisberger, Omar Jacobs, Charlie Frye, Bruce Gradkowski...

The MAC has been referred to as the Conference of Quarterbacks due to the accomplishments of numerous former players in the National Football League.

From the St. Pete Times last year...

The addition of Bucs rookie Bruce Gradkowski makes five former Mid-American Conference quarterbacks among the NFL's 28 starters in Week 5.

More than the SEC.

More than the Big Ten.

More than the Big East.

More than the ACC.

Only the Pac-10 has produced more quarterbacks who will start NFL games this week than the mighty MAC, and just barely. The Pac-10 has six.


http://www.sptimes.com/2006/10/08/Bu..._confere.shtml

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What's kind of puzzling about Big Ben is he seemed to peak at the beginning of his career when the Steelers won the Super Bowl. It's hard to beat that season when everything went right for the team. However, on pure stats, he's having his best season and I would say is pretty darn good ... not a playmaker whose team should depend on him, but not Grossman level, that's for sure. I think when the Steelers struggle when they depend on him vs. the run game is more an indictment on the team than Big Ben.
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That record means nothing to me. 15-4? How many of those players from 19 years ago are still on the team?

Satistics that go that far back are meaningingless - the Broncos are a different team completely.

Does the record of th '76 Steelers have any impact on a game played in '07? Of course not... Just like their record over the last 19 years after a bye week is meaningless.

Denver has also both won and covered the last five straight times coming off a bye week.



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Roethlisberger is over-rated. He is not terrible. He can make plays and he has a decent arm. He is simply not very smart. He takes way too many chances... Not like Brett Farve either. Roethlisberger doesn't know how to just take a sack or throw the ball away... He tries to make every play positive. That can be a good thing, until you turn the ball over 5 times in a game because of stupid decisions.

He is not even a top 10 QB in the league.

OK, I'll admit: Roethlisberger is not quite as good as your man Carson Palmer - give Palmer the Eagles' receivers to throw to and he'd be 1-6, while Big Ben would be 0-7 if he were throwing to them.
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OK, I'll admit: Roethlisberger is not quite as good as your man Carson Palmer - give Palmer the Eagles' receivers to throw to and he'd be 1-6, while Big Ben would be 0-7 if he were throwing to them.
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And what would they be with Tom Brady throwing?? :lol:
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