Joe Rogan, Bad Words, and a Fractured Culture

This story is in response to Brad Oremland's Fire Joe Rogan piece.

On Monday, fellow SC writer Brad Oremland wrote a column about how UFC commentator Joe Rogan should be fired for using language considered to be offensive by a large percentage of Americans.

To sum it up, Brad argues Rogan used hate speech, and in order to take the next step toward becoming a mainstream American sporting organization, the UFC must fire Rogan as a sign of their disapproval of the cultural attitudes reflected by his language.

"If the UFC wants to be taken seriously and reach its full potential," Brad wrote, "it needs to start acting like the grown-ups."

I won't use the words Rogan said, or that Oremland discussed at length in his column, because I don't need them for the purpose of this article. In fact, this article isn't even really about Rogan's language. He said what he said. Some like it. Some don't. And most probably didn't notice or didn't care. At any rate, that subject has been discussed and there's not much need to rehash it here.

What I find far more interesting in this debate is the place the UFC holds in the American sporting landscape, and whether the growth of mixed martial arts, and UFC as its main competitive organization, necessitates a change in how the insiders of the sport operate.

In other words, does the growth of MMA mean the UFC has to "grow up," as Brad puts it?

Diehard MMA fans will be able to tell you a whole lot more about the history of MMA and the rise of the UFC than I will, so this is no history lesson. But to sum it up, MMA in America started off in the mid-1990s as a way of seeing which single-discipline fighters would win a fight. Could a kick-boxer beat a karate master? Could a boxer beat a wrestler? Put them in a cage and find out.

There weren't a whole lot of rules (or weight classes) in the beginning, but that changed as promotions wanted to put on shows across the country and needed approval from state licensing boards. Then in 2001, the Fertitta brothers bought the UFC and installed marketing genius Dana White as the organization's front man. The Ultimate Fighter landed on Spike, Tap Out gear started showing up at JC Penny, and presto chango, an empire was born.

At its core, though, nothing has changed about MMA since those early days of Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock. It's a gladiator sport. Two men (or women now) enter a cage/ring/octagon/some other form of enclosed area, then try to destroy each other physically. The fighters have come a million miles from their forefathers in terms of being well rounded and well trained, but the goal remains the same: destroy your opponent before he destroys you.

MMA is a sport of violence. Make no mistake about it. That's what draws the fans. We want to see somebody get hurt, or pull off a cool submission that would result in injury if the other guy wasn't forced to give up. That's why you hear fans boo when a fighter whose primary skill is wrestling takes a guy down but just holds his position instead of trying to put his elbows through the other guy's face. The National Football League may be doing everything in their power to prevent concussions, but in the UFC, knockout of the night gets you a nice fat bonus check.

Most of America doesn't watch MMA, and that's okay. We are no longer in an age where something has to appeal to the common denominator in order to be worth air time. This is the age of a fractured media, where niche programming is king. You've got FOX News for the right-wing conservatives. You've got MSNBC for the left-wing liberals. You've got the HGTV, Comedy Central, Court TV, and five different ESPNs. Everybody gets what they want, and everybody else can shove off.

The good part of the fractured media age is that minority interests that used to be ignored now have a place of their own. The moneyed powers of corporate media may still run the big show, but modern technology has provided the world access to all the side shows it can handle. If you want it, it's out there. And if it isn't, go make it. In the history of the world, there have never been as many avenues for expression as there are now.

The down side to this incredible freedom of choice is that because the niche market gets to operate in its own bubble, members often lose connection of the fact they operate as part of a larger culture. We focus in so much on ourselves and people like us that we lose touch of the other side, the them to our us. And in our own echo chamber, we can pretty much talk ourselves into anything.

And that's what brings us back to Joe Rogan and the question of what becomes of a counter-culture niche market when that niche market starts to get so big the mainstream takes an interest? Can it continue to exist in its original form, playing by its own niche rules, or does it have to adapt to mainstream cultural standards?

To bring it back to the UFC, should they stop having sexy ring girls because they depict females as sex objects and might give young men and women a distorted sense of femininity?

Should fighters no longer be able to throw elbows because they cause some of the most gruesome cuts you'll ever see, and that can't possibly be good for young viewers?

Should Joe Rogan pretend he's Bob Costas so nobody gets offended?

Many would say yes. Perhaps Brad would, as well. But that assumes that the UFC and the MMA culture want to be accepted as a brother to the more-established American sporting mainstays. And I just don't think that's the case.

MMA is not mainstream America. It is a hyper-macho, violent sport that takes pride in its counter-culture roots. It is the very definition of niche — a very profitable one thanks to White's exceptional vision and marketing prowess, but a niche nonetheless. And we shouldn't confuse the rise in visibility as a sign it's time to "grow up" or some other euphemism for conformity.

In a way, Rogan is the embodiment of the UFC's place in the larger American culture. Anybody who has followed Rogan's career is not surprised at the least that he would use language some find offensive. That's what he does. He sees the modern moral code from the outside and finds humor in pointing out its inconsistency and hypocrisy. He's a true counter-culturalist, except instead of being a pot-smoking hippie, he's a pot-smoking comedian and fight announcer. And his fans love him for it (as Brad found out).

For better or worse, our culture has fractured beyond repair. The mainstream doesn't get to draft a niche market and make it its own any more. The decentralization of media power has provided the kings of niche culture the power of self determination, and it's up to them to decide how much of their values they're willing to trade in for mainstream's money.

And that's really all this is about — money. White and the UFC have found a way to make it hand over fist their way. They don't need to adapt. They don't need anybody's moral approval. They have their business model, and it relies on violence, sexy ring girls, and Joe Rogan being Joe Rogan.

So if you want to watch a UFC pay-per-view, go ahead. But you would be wise to check your moral expectations at the door. It's a different kind of place, with its own set of rules. And conforming to mainstream culture isn't on the agenda.

Comments and Conversation

June 9, 2011

alxxxx:

Wow, just shut the fuck up about Joe Rogan already. He called a cunt, cunty, he actually eased off on the cunt cunt, so stop being a faggot, it’s making your article look cunty.

June 9, 2011

JD:

Hey look, you can curse. Wooo. Hooray. Fancy pants.

Try reading next time, dummy. The article is about how Rogan can say whatever he wants, and the UFC doesn’t need to do anything about it.

Jackwad.

June 9, 2011

alxxxx:

JD SHUT UP CUNTY SHUT UP

June 9, 2011

JD:

Listen, I know you’re all excited about going into seventh grade next year and everything, but that’s no reason to use all caps.

June 9, 2011

alxxxx:

IM ANGRY JD IM ANGRY, JD

June 9, 2011

JD:

Oh, OK. Well try not to be. We’ve got a great card coming up this weekend, a pretty good free card on 6/26, and I can not freaking wait for that Diaz-GSP fight on Oct. 29. That is going to be epic. And Rogan will be there for all of it.

June 9, 2011

JTM:

The problem with your article is that you’re hiding under the pretense that Rogan is free to say whatever “hate speech” he likes thereby convicting him for a crime that he hasn’t been tried for as yet. The man made a comment on his own time to his friends on an internet forum - not a statement on a UFC PPV or a at a public Q & A or at an Expo - on his own time. We live in a country where freedome of speech is still a constitutional right and a man should still be able to call a spade a goddam shovel and not have every opportunist come out of the woodwork trying to get SEO hits off the pretend scandal.

June 9, 2011

right on:

great rightup. “joe must hate all women”……”thats really funny, cuz everyone whose said that to me….i fucking hate”

youd think with all the free time these cunts have, theyd look up joes actual opinion which he displays on his podcast for 2.5 hours a week.

that brad guy should be fired for his utter stupidity. sounds like a slave to society who like to watch fights but has his nametag from his position as HR manager for some corporate office so far up his own ass that he forgets that the fake office face isnt the way the real world operates. eat a dick you cunty faggot. welcome to america

June 10, 2011

drunkie:

nice to see someones in the media not try to make a issue out of nothing. maggy was out of line with her lies she said about rampage. then she joes comments on her articles she trys to twist his words an play the victim. lole tried to play captain save a hoe claiming that joe called maggy a cunt which never happened. it is funny how the media claims free speech when they make comments that people don’t like. yet when people dare have a view the media doesn’t like they go on rants wanting people fired. gotta love the double standards these hacks have.

alot of people are kinda going off half cocked when they read this thinking it is another attack on rogan when it pretty much said the ufc is the ufc they do things there way an fuck anyone that doesn’t like it

June 10, 2011

Brad Oremland:

Nice article, JD. You raise some fine points, and I agree with a lot of what you’ve written. But the notion that the UFC doesn’t want to go mainstream… of course it does. Dana White talks about it all the time, and he puts a lot of time into promoting MMA in mainstream arenas, trying to attract new fans.

The UFC is doing very well financially, but it’s not making anything near the same type of money as, say, the NFL. There’s a lot of room for growth, and I would argue that at a certain point the organization needs to hold itself to a higher standard.

Rogan doesn’t use slurs during a broadcast. Remember his rant against Keith Kizer after the Garcia/Phan fight? He kept that PG. The UG is an online forum for MMA fans, so it’s obviously not held to the same standard, but Rogan is a public figure who represents the UFC when he talks about this sport.

When he writes about a colleague like Maggie Hendricks, he does so as a professional MMA commentator, not a comedian. I just believe he needs to hold himself to a consistent standard.

June 10, 2011

JD:

@JTM - I don’t think I was hiding under any pretense. I didn’t quote Rogan, and the only mention of the words hate speech was in reference to Brad’s article. As for the fact whatever was said was said outside of the UFC’s official broadcast, that’s beside the point. Every public figure who represents an organization knows that what they say any time, whether associated with the job or not, is a reflection on the brand they represent. That’s just what happens when your personal brand becomes intertwined with your company’s brand.

@Brad - Hope you’re holding up under the fire. You’ve taken more vitriol for your column than I’ve seen anybody take ever.

As for the UFC going mainstream, there are levels there. MMA will never catch the NFL or MLB, just as boxing never could. I just don’t think there are enough people who want to watch grown men punch each other in the face for them to reach that level. Dana says the NFL is his prime competitor, but this year’s Super Bowl was the most watched program in the history of the world. The UFC just played its first stadium card, so there’s a big gap there.

I don’t know how much more MMA can grow. I wouldn’t put anything past Dana, because he’s really, really good at what he does. I’m just betting that they hit their growth ceiling before they have to compromise their “eff you all - we do what we want” ethos.

June 11, 2011

Brad Oremland:

Yeah, obviously a lot of people disagree with my take. I can handle it — it’s hard to take most of the comments seriously. And I think Maggie Hendricks, to name one example, has gotten way worse than I have, even before this whole controversy with Rogan.

Once again, I agree with you for the most part, and it’s obvious you’ve put some thought into these issues. The one thing I would point out is that as recently as 50 years ago, boxing *was* more popular than the NFL. For most of the 20th century, the most famous athlete in the world was the heavyweight champion.

Maybe the culture has changed so that there’s no longer a place for combat sports in the mainstream, and maybe MMA is limited by its relative lack of history, but in my mind, there’s no reason it shouldn’t at least be on major network television once in a while. I guess time will tell, though — certainly your point is well-taken.

June 13, 2011

Dave Harry:

Brad, stop now. You self-righteous dickhead

June 14, 2011

To Brad::

Brad, I am curious whether you have ever trained in a Martial Art? Because I am confident that your entire opinion would change if you realized the amount of dedication it takes to learn just one. Also, Joe Rogan is a black-belt in Tae Kwon Doe, Green Belt in Judo and brown-belt in two types of Jiu-Jitsu. Including his experience in comedy (which is often improv much like commentating) and his work on Fear Factor, it only makes sense to have someone with his knowledge and skill do the work.

P.S. If you found out Obama used a curse word at the White House while he was in his personal time, would you cry for him to be fired?

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