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Old 04-20-2007, 12:44 PM   #1
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/com...ent/index.html

Interesting article. One side of the argument. Though I wonder how many people would be shot over small arguments that escalate because someone has a gun and takes it too far.
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These kinds of shooting can be used to make an argument for either side of the gun control debate. Those in favor of gun rights might argue that had these students been armed, this could have been prevented. Surely one of the students could have shot him before he killed 30 students. Gun control advocates may argue - had more restrictions been put in place, this could have been prevented. For instance, let's say they would have had a 2 week waiting period before he could get the guns - maybe then this kid would have been discovered, or simply killed himself before he could kill others.

Either way, I don't like using tragedies to make political statements. This is a sad event in our history, and this isn't about gun control. Others can and will use this for political gain, but I won't.
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The guy waited 35 days to get the Walther .22 he used, he had no criminal record.

The problem with banning guns is....criminals will still find a way to get them.
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The guy waited 35 days to get the Walther .22 he used, he had no criminal record.

The problem with banning guns is....criminals will still find a way to get them.
I disagree with you last statement. There are less than 5 people killed by guns every year in Great Britain, where handguns are outlawed. Why can't the criminals get the guns there?

Some criminals will always find guns. If there are less guns produced, and less guns sold, less criminals will have them.

That will be the last statement I make on this thread. As I said, I'd rather not turn a tragedy into a political issue.
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Contrary to initial reports, Cho may not have been legally eligible to acquire the two semi-automatic weapons that he used to murder more than 30 students at the school on Monday. Critics say Cho was able to collect his firearms without a hitch because of a gaping hole in the enforcement of existing federal gun laws that routinely allows mentally unstable people to buy deadly firearms.

Interesting article. Maybe if actual gun control restrictions were enforced, he would have never purchased the guns...

(sorry, I just used this to make a political statement, after I said I wouldn't)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18217741/site/newsweek/
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I disagree with you last statement. There are less than 5 people killed by guns every year in Great Britain, where handguns are outlawed. Why can't the criminals get the guns there?

Some criminals will always find guns. If there are less guns produced, and less guns sold, less criminals will have them.

That will be the last statement I make on this thread. As I said, I'd rather not turn a tragedy into a political issue.
Many, if not most crimes are from ilegally purchase/stolen weapons. It is a political issue, one so big it will probably determine which Republican wins the 2008 presidency!
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Many, if not most crimes are from ilegally purchase/stolen weapons
Fact, or are you just making this up. Provide a statistic and source please.

Again address this question:

There are less than 5 people killed by guns every year in Great Britain, where handguns are outlawed. Why can't the criminals get the guns there
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Many, if not most crimes are from ilegally purchase/stolen weapons.
I'd also like to see the statistics on this. If that is the case, then the problem is with gun control laws.
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If that is the case, then the problem is with gun control laws.
Or perhaps the LACK of enforcement of gun control laws.

Will someone please address my question:

There are less than 5 people killed by guns every year in Great Britain, where handguns are outlawed. Why can't the criminals get the guns there?
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I disagree with you last statement. There are less than 5 people killed by guns every year in Great Britain, where handguns are outlawed. Why can't the criminals get the guns there?

Some criminals will always find guns. If there are less guns produced, and less guns sold, less criminals will have them.

That will be the last statement I make on this thread. As I said, I'd rather not turn a tragedy into a political issue.

And that is why our government immediately established the Constitutional Right to bear arms!
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And that is why our government immediately established the Constitutional Right to bear arms!
Our government also IMMEDIATELY established the right to own slaves.

They didn't get everything right. Times change. We are not living in the 1700s anymore. This isn't the wild wild west.
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Our government also IMMEDIATELY established the right to own slaves.

They didn't get everything right. Times change. We are not living in the 1700s anymore. This isn't the wild wild west.
C'mon, owning slaves is not a Constitutional Right. Anyhow, Republican; Abe Lincoln fixed that problem anyhow.
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C'mon, owning slaves is not a Constitutional Right. Anyhow, Republican; Abe Lincoln fixed that problem anyhow.
Ahhh, funny you bring up Abe. Would you believe me if I told you that Honest Abe smoked marijuana?
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Fresh, owning weapons is not the same as owning people. People (thinking animals) have rights, weapons (inanimate objects) do not.
The Constitution does not specifically say that people have the right to own people. It does, however, specify the right to own and bear arms. Read the 2nd Ammendment, part of the Bill of Rights.
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