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Old 01-09-2007, 03:16 PM   #1
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Ripken and Gwynn are in.

Cal got 98.5% of the vote, while Tony picked up 97.6. I'm surprised both got such a high percentage of votes.

McGwire had 23.5% and Goose Goosage received 71.2%. Good to see Mark so low and Goose so high.
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Old 01-09-2007, 04:03 PM   #2
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Saberhagen got seven votes? Maybe next year Bret.

And again, Tommy John deserves an honorary bid for still being talked about every season!
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:11 PM   #3
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Not surprised to see Ripken and Gwynn such a large number of votes at all. For one both guys were class acts on and off the field. Gwynn is arguably the best pure hitter of his generation and Ripken was the game's best offensive shortstop to play the game at the time he retired.
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Not to mention both players turned down larger dollar contracts to stay with their original teams. These guys were shoe-ins.
As to McGwire, his day will come, but not for a couple of years. Harmon Killebrew, one of the classiest guys you'll ever meet, had to wait a couple of years to get the call.
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:13 AM   #5
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As to McGwire, his day will come, but not for a couple of years.
I think the baseball writers were looking to make a statement this year, and McGwire will no doubt receive more votes in future ballots than he did this time around.

If he doesn't, I don't understand how you can justify not putting someone with his numbers in the hall based purely on what has been speculated to have happened in his playing career.

As much as I dislike Mark McGwire and I am not saddened by the baseball writers' decision not to vote McGwire in the Hall of Fame (yet), the guy deserves to go in unless we have concrete evidence that he took steroids.

And we don't have that evidence.
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As much as I dislike Mark McGwire and I am not saddened by the baseball writers' decision not to vote McGwire in the Hall of Fame (yet), the guy deserves to go in unless we have concrete evidence that he took steroids.

And we don't have that evidence.
I agree. I think the voters made the right decision in not voting in McGwire on the first ballot. Gwynn & Ripken deserve their moment in the sun, and I think it would've sullied it for them if McGwire went in the HOF at the same time...
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Not necessarily, Sue. Marc McGwire was the most prolific homerun hitter of his generation and were it not for him missing several seasons due to injuries, Bonds might be chasing his record, not Aaron's.
As I said, I believe he will eventually be enshrined in Cooperstown, but I am glad he was not voted in on the first ballot.
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Not necessarily, Sue. Marc McGwire was the most prolific homerun hitter of his generation and were it not for him missing several seasons due to injuries, Bonds might be chasing his record, not Aaron's.
As I said, I believe he will eventually be enshrined in Cooperstown, but I am glad he was not voted in on the first ballot.
I was referring to the steroid cloud surrounding McGwire, not his resume. He was a great player, but too many questions persist. Yes, he has never tested positive for steroids or other banned substances, but the rumors are there. And his testimony before congress a couple years ago didn't help his image...
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I would agree with that, Sue. Mac should have either answered the questions or denied using banned substances. He was given very poor advice prior to his appearance, IMO.
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As to McGwire, his day will come, but not for a couple of years. Harmon Killebrew, one of the classiest guys you'll ever meet, had to wait a couple of years to get the call.
It had better come! The whole thing is so ridiculous. If you're keeping Big Mac out of the Hall, Ty Cobb and Gaylord Perry should be yanked out of there, too.

Also, 98% for Ripken, 97% for Gwynn... you're telling me that someone with credentials actually voted "NO" on these guys?!?! THEY SHOULD BE SHOT IN THE HEAD!
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Also, 98% for Ripken, 97% for Gwynn... you're telling me that someone with credentials actually voted "NO" on these guys?!?! THEY SHOULD BE SHOT IN THE HEAD!
They both rank as two of the top seven vote getters of all-time, with Ripken Jr. currently ranked third and the highest among infield players.
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Yeah, but what I find stunning is that they didn't receive 100% of the vote. There are players who should get 100% of the vote.
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A unanimous vote has never occured. Tom Seaver is the highest vote getter of all-time at 98.84%.
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Old 01-10-2007, 05:41 PM   #14
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Also, 98% for Ripken, 97% for Gwynn... you're telling me that someone with credentials actually voted "NO" on these guys?!?! THEY SHOULD BE SHOT IN THE HEAD!
99 - Mike and Mike touched on this subject this morning. This is ridiculous and I agree... its not that people vote "NO" its that some writers just don't vote. They had one writer (sorry, forget the name) that will NEVER vote 1st year people just because he believes that NO ONE should get 100% because Ruth, Cobb, and some other great didn't have 100%. That logic is just stupid IMO, but hey, he has the vote and thats how he feels. :thumbdown:
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I would vote for McGwire. He has the numbers, but more importantly, that home run race of '98 was instrumental in the revival of the sport. The other guys were a given, congrats to them.
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