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buckeyefan78 11-21-2004 03:27 PM

The ESPN/USA Today Poll is out and it...
doesn't look good for Auburn. The Tigers were behind Oklahoma by 2 points for 2nd place last week and are now 4 points behind Oklahoma.

Meanwhile, Texas went from 89 points down to Cal in this poll last week to only 39 this week. Good news for Texas, but it might be too little too late. A 4th place finish in the BCS means teams in BCS conferences who didn't win their league get an automatic birth.

Later today, we'll see how much ground Auburn gained/lost on Oklahoma in the AP Poll. Also interesting to note where Texas will be in relation to Cal.

Texas may finish 5th in the BCS, with only one loss to Oklahoma by 12 points and get left out in favor of a Big East team that may not even be ranked in the top 25 when all is said and done this year.

And this system " works?" :confused:

Looks like...

Rose......Michigan v Cal
Orange..USC v Oklahoma
Fiesta....Utah v BC/WVU/Pitt
Sugar....Auburn v Virginia Tech/Miami

This lineup sucks if you ask me, besides the Orange Bowl. Hopefully USC loses to Notre Dame and beats UCLA to go to the Rose to play Michigan so a tainted Pac Ten team in Cal doesn't get a trip to Pasadena.

gconnhokiebird 11-21-2004 04:46 PM

I really hate seeing Texas up so high, I know they only have 1 loss and it was too Oklahoma, but I think many 2 loss teams could handle them easily. Heres my top 10 in power, not ranks.

1. Auburn
2. USC
3. Oklahoma
4. Miami
5. California
6. Louisville
7. Iowa
8. Georgia
9. Utah
10. LSU
11. Virginia Tech
12. Michigan
13. Arizona State
14. Florida State
15. Virginia

once again, power rankings not actuall record rankings.

gconnhokiebird 11-21-2004 04:48 PM

oops, its actually top 15 in power, and i forgot about Texas, probaly b/c i hate em' I'd through them in around 11.

tigereyes33 11-21-2004 08:29 PM

If Auburn gets left out of the Orange, then 2 of the 4 BCS games are going to be just awful. Auburn vs. VT,Miami, or BC would be an absolute disgrace, and the Fiesta Bowl with Utah vs. one of those formentioned 3 would also be not nearly up to par as a BCS bowl should be.

gconnhokiebird 11-21-2004 08:38 PM

Auburn vs. Miami would be the best game of em' all. I'd take Miami too.

buckeyefan78 11-21-2004 10:52 PM

Wow, things have really turned bad for Auburn. According to ESPN, the Tigers have dropped from their second place tie in the AP Poll to third BY FIVE VOTES. Auburn would have to secure the #2 in BOTH polls over Oklahoma by ATLEAST 20 votes to offset the computers to get into the BCS #2 spot. Translation=virtualy impossible.

Things have got pretty bad for Cal as well. Their lead in the AP poll over Texas went from 109 to 90 votes. They must hold on to both polls over Texas to go to the Rose Bowl, however, they can't hope Texas loses to A&M on Friday because that would open the door for Boise St. or Louisville to gain a spot in the Rose Bowl. Basically, Cal needs to win against So. Miss and Texas must beat A&M in an unimpressive manner to retain the 4th spot in the BCS, while Texas holds the 5th spot.

ESPN predicts the BCS as follows...

1. USC
2. Oklahoma
3. Auburn
4. Cal
5. Texas
6. Utah

However, I wouldn't call USC's chances at going undefeated 100%. Notre Dame has been up and down this year, and UCLA is vastly underrated.

gconnhokiebird 11-21-2004 10:59 PM

Auburn still has to play a potentially dangerous Tennesee team, say Auburn loses, I would think they should still get an at-large. The greatest thing that could happen would see IOWA STATE pull one of the biggest college football upsets of all time and beat Oklahoma. Why does everyone think Utah will be in a BCS bowl? California and Texas are ahead of them as of now.

buckeyefan78 11-21-2004 11:04 PM

BCS rules state an non-BCS conference school that finishes in the top 6 of the BCS gets an automatic bid gconn. Utah is pretty much in.

gconnhokiebird 11-21-2004 11:13 PM

what? I've never heard of that, thats stupid crap. So if their #6 they get infront of the #5 team. Stupid. I want to see the Utes play a real team but I don't think that really makes any sense, espeacially with the kind of system the BCS is.

buckeyefan78 11-21-2004 11:29 PM

Well, that's the system gconn. And you're right. Texas at #5 WILL BE LEFT OUT OF A BCS game because of Utah at #6.

If Auburn should lose, I don't think they would get an at large bid. Provided all else goes according to plan, Cal and Texas would get the 2 at large bids, with Utah getting dropped back down to the Liberty Bowl. Atleast that's what I think would happen. A one loss Cal and Texas team would DEFINITELY deserve an at large bid over Auburn because Cal and Texas would have one loss each, both of them to the only two undeated teams in the nation ( USC and Oklahoma). Auburn's one loss would come to a 2 loss Tennessee team. I have a feeling that if Auburn would lose, their BCS ranking would plummet due to their poor non-conference schedule/slash poor ranking in the polls. It's what happened to Wisconsin when they got their first loss.

KevinBeane 11-22-2004 12:36 AM

Utah would probably beat Texas, so my heart won't bleed for Texas there. Utah is 3-0 against BCS schools. They beat a UNC team that ended the year on an absolute tear (beating mMiami, losing to VT by 3) by 30. They beat a Texas A&M team that is 5-2 in the vaunted Big XII south by 20. Good for Utah. Those of you that say Utah doesn't deserve a BCS ought to just say, "if you are from a mid-major conference, you should NEVER be allowed into a BCS bowl" because it would be hard to make much of a stronger case than the Utes have made.

buckeyefan78 11-22-2004 12:46 PM

All I am complaining about Kevin is the fact that Texas is ahead of Utah in the system, and gets screwed. This " affirmative action" deal with non-BCS schools is bogus. Take the FIVE (leaving out Big Least) BCS conference champions and then the next three highest BCS ranked teams and there you go. That is if we have to live with this thing, you know I like the old way the best.

tigereyes33 11-22-2004 02:40 PM

Well Buckeye, Oklahoma has a better chance of losing to Iowa State than we have of losing to UT, because we are the best team in the country, so do not worry about Auburn losing. We will not lose to UT on a neutral field, or anybody on a neutral field for that matter.

KevinBeane 11-22-2004 02:59 PM


Originally posted by tigereyes33
Well Buckeye, Oklahoma has a better chance of losing to Iowa State than we have of losing to UT,
Whoa there...I may give Buckeye grief too, but this is as crazy as anything he has said. The gap between Auburn and Tennessee is greater that that between Oklahoma and Iowa State?!?!? I agree Auburn is better than Oklahoma (but not USC) but apparently you think it's not even close. Why hasn't Auburn beat everyone 50-0?

I'll remember this thread if the spread between ISU/OU is bigger than that of Auburn/UT.

Gohawks 11-22-2004 05:46 PM

I think someone is getting a little cocky lol

gconnhokiebird 11-22-2004 07:25 PM

I forgot that Utah whipped Texas ANM, thats pretty impressive, I wanna see em play more than i want to see texas anyway, so put em' in.

tigereyes33 11-23-2004 08:37 AM

I don't care what the spread is, I'm just saying we are just flat out going to take care of business and not lose, and with the way Oklahoma has played in a few of their games, I cannot say the same for them.

KevinBeane 11-23-2004 09:52 AM


Originally posted by tigereyes33
I don't care what the spread is, I'm just saying we are just flat out going to take care of business and not lose, and with the way Oklahoma has played in a few of their games, I cannot say the same for them.
I don't know what would happen if Auburn played Oklahoma - I could go either way - but as far as taking care of business goes, both team have played 2 games that were decided by 8 points of less, but BOTH of Oklahoma's were on the road, and BOTH were against ranked teams....Auburn can say neither. So there's probably a Sooner out there saying the same thing you are, with Oklahoma and Auburn reversed.

tigereyes33 11-23-2004 03:31 PM

No, it's pretty simple. Defense wins championships and we have one, and OU does not. And, Alabama scored on a cheap 4th down hail mary TD with about 2 minutes left to cut the Auburn lead to 21-13. And, this game was more of a dominant win than OU's over K-State. OU's other 2 wins by under 8 points were in doubt the entire game. Auburn has only almost lost once because we have a dominant defense that shows up every single week and Oklahoma does not. Plain and simple. The offenses are comparitive, but the defenses really are not. That is why, I believe OU has a better shot at losing to sorry Iowa State, than we have of losing to UT, because we have a MUCH better defense (#1 scoring D in the nation).

tigereyes33 11-23-2004 04:05 PM

I just think it would be sweet to see OU left out of the Orange Bowl, and have to play Utah, because Utah would pick apart that pathetic OU pass defense and I think the Utes would win by double digits.

Alex 11-23-2004 04:18 PM


Originally posted by tigereyes33
No, it's pretty simple. Defense wins championships and we have one, and OU does not.
I can point to a team that refutes that statement.

buckeyefan78 11-23-2004 06:40 PM


Are you living under a rock? According to EVERYONE in the media who crunches the numbers, if all 3 of the big boys win out, Auburn has little to NO chance at all of going to the Orange Bowl. The SOS did them in. Time to call up The Citadel and ask for a game in 2005. Perhaps I should go down to Youngstown State and see if they have an opening. I'm sure Auburn would win by 70.

tigereyes33 11-24-2004 01:53 PM

Or perhaps you can call Bowling Green and ask them why they bailed on us, and Clemson too, causing us to have to scramble at the last minute and put in The Citadel and La. Tech on there. Buckeye, we got screwed by them. And, personally, I think it is a big sack of **** about OOC scheduling being the reason. It is because they are the great OU and USC, and we are Auburn. It is because of their names and their preseason rankings IMO. So now, everyone is so impressed with OU's OOC win over Bowling Green. Even if we had Bowling Green (ranked) and Clemson on our schedule instead of La. Tech and The Citadel we would still be #3. We might get screwed over, but we are going to take it out on whatever inferior Big East or ACC team we play in Nawlins, plus, I won't be too upset, hell I'll take a Sugar Bowl win. So, Buckeye, you can stop trying to get under my skin about the whole thing because it really isn't bothering me anymore, plus we'd whoop your team's ass anytime anywhere.

Gohawks 11-24-2004 07:01 PM

LMAO BUCKEYE that was funny

gconnhokiebird 11-25-2004 01:16 AM

quit kissing his ass in every thread.

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