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Old 06-23-2005, 07:41 PM   #1
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Default Suggestions for some NBA teams

Thinking about it, there are some things that I think
certain teams should do in order to compete and
receive a larger market.....or simply LEAVE.

KINGS: Rumors have them heading to Vegas in 2-3 years.
I think this is a GREAT idea. Yes, they have the best
fans, but its limited to Northern CA...and it hasn't
done much for them, especially against the Lakers and
Mavs.
Moving to Vegas would create an unbelievable market
for them. They would need to keep their current talent
and add to it. Lose Adelman. Consider Chuck Daly (if
he's not already making plans w/ death).
That could rejuvenate an amazing LA/KINGS rivalry,
assuming LA makes the right moves w/in the org.
Think about it.....gamble, drink, kill someone in the
desert, then walk down the street to the Kings game.

CLIPPERS: MOVE. PERIOD. ok, ok....a little
more.....they've ALWAYS sucked. They always will.
Their crosstown rival is THEE **** of the NBA, even in
losing seasons. When was the last time you heard
someone say they're a Clippers fan? Hell, have you
EVER heard that? (no you haven't....you're lying)

Move them ANYWHERE.....even a smaller market. Just
don't annnounce it as "The Clippers are moving to
Anchorage Aalaska!". Instead, just say "Billings
Montana is getting an NBA team!"

CLEVELAND: Their heyday was in the early 90's w/
Price, Doherty and Hogdes. And even then all they did
was beat a younger Jordan and then lose to Detroit.
Never did ****. Lebron can't do it alone. So either
get lucky and SMART w/ the draft, or MOVE.

GOLDEN STATE: Why? Why does this team exist? RUN-TMC
was YEARS ago, and all of those players left years
ago. Such a waste of a team surrounded by a market
that loves either LA or Sac.
Just let the players go and consider arena football.

BUCKS: Alcinder left decades ago. You should have
followed. The ONLY Buck fans are DIE-HARD fans who
turned to golf years ago. Suggestion.....either move
to Green Bay (great football fans...turn them into
hoops), or Pittsburgh (just please don't make us
Steelers fans embarrassed)

NUGGETS: I'll give you ONE more year to kick ass.
Otherwise, no one gives a **** about you; ALL they
care about are their BRONCOS. Just make it to the
Western Finals NEXT year....and the talking will
begin. And if you DO make that happen, you'll
absolutely HAVE to do it again the following
year......no teasing allowed. You haven't done ****
for too many years.....and Alex English is on SSI.
What's that?
Uh oh....did I fotget about Carmelo Anthony?
Uh....there's a reason for that.....
See my writing on Lebron and the Cavs above.

NEW ORLEANS: There's a reason why teams leave their
city for a new one (N.O. Jazz for Utah).
So unless you're the Cleveland Browns moving to
Baltimore, then acquiring ANOTHER team into Cleveland
due to fan base and past success......don't bother.

RAPTORS: GAME OVER, MAN. No Carter....no TEAM.

HAWKS: Time to move on. Wilkins, Malone and Willis
have....follow.


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Old 06-24-2005, 01:15 AM   #2
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CLIPPERS: MOVE. PERIOD. ok, ok....a little
more.....they've ALWAYS sucked. They always will.
Their crosstown rival is THEE **** of the NBA, even in
losing seasons. When was the last time you heard
someone say they're a Clippers fan? Hell, have you
EVER heard that? (no you haven't....you're lying)

Move them ANYWHERE.....even a smaller market. Just
don't annnounce it as "The Clippers are moving to
Anchorage Aalaska!". Instead, just say "Billings
Montana is getting an NBA team!"
You're obviously a *******. I was expecting that from a noob poster trying to sound funny with Clipper jokes. I obviously heard them before. They've always sucked but they are getting better. They have a hell of a better team than the Lakers do. Livingston, Maggette, Brand, Simmons, Kaman > Kobe, Odom, Butler, Atkins, Mihm. Clippers bench > Lakers bench. Well, I guess this is the first time you'll see this written, but...

Hi, MAGICMAN, I'm a Clipper fan.

Maybe you're take on the Clippers would have worked 6 years ago, but the Clippers are entering an era of kickin some serious ass. And the Clippers are getting better, just ask Shawndo, who I won a friendly Clipper/Laker 20 dollor bet from.
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Old 06-24-2005, 01:38 AM   #3
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The Clips are definitely getting better. If they can resign Bobby Simmons this off-season, they'll be on the right track. They need to let this corps mature in L.A., and not elsewhere (or in purple and gold).

As far as some of your other suggestions, Magic:

New Orleans - You're probably right. It's not much of a basketball town. Attendance has been horrible, even in the two seasons the Hornets were Playoff teams. Serves management right for leaving Charlotte in the lurch, I suppose.

Denver - Are you kidding me? The Nuggs have a nice young nucleus, and if you watched any of their games this season, they have loyal fans. That joint was rockin' for their match-ups with the Spurs.

Milwaukee - Wasn't it just five years ago that the Bucks won in the neighborhood of 60 regular season games? You can't decide a franchise isn't worthy of existing based on a few lousy seasons. If you think a team can't be successful in Milwaukee, you'd be in for a shock in Green Bay or Pittsburgh. Neither are basketball towns.

Golden State - I call dibs on feeding crow on this one next season. The Warriors are (finally) making moves to get good, and once they do, they'll have a strong following. Nor Cal is a hoop-friendly place. Just check out a Stanford game. If they can draft a solid center to replace Adonal Foyle, I'm calling a Warrior Playoff berth.

Sacramento - .....? What?! Have you seen attendance at a Kings game in the last six years??? If you think season tickets would sell at an equal rate in Vegas, you're dreaming. Sure, you'd get out-of-towners coming to see games, but you need the season ticket holders. UNLV hasn't had a loyal following since Tark was ran out of town, so don't expect an NBA franchise to show up and just immediately have a strong season ticket following.

Cleveland - A sports city, pure and simple. Remember the uproar when the Browns left for Baltimore? A Cavs move wouldn't quite be on that level, but I don't imagine the people of Cleveland would be too happy. That's still a very young team, give them time to develop.

Toronto - I could be wrong, but didn't the Raptors average decent numbers? And to base moving on the absence of a so-so, egomaniac in Vince Carter?? C'mon. There are much better players the Raptors could acquire. Or already have. Chris Bosh is still just 23 years old. He's going to be a superstar.

I'm all for giving smaller markets a team. The Blazers, Spurs, and Kings are a testament to the success a team can have in a small market. But I'm not an advocate of moving teams to smaller markets based solely on success (or lack thereof) over the course of a few seasons, especially for organizations on the rise like the Clippers and Warriors.
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Old 06-24-2005, 07:00 AM   #4
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You're obviously a *******.
Let's watch it on the namecalling, bud... but I feel ya. I would be pretty irritated as well by that if I was a Clipper fan.

I don't think Magicman noticed how much better Golden State has gotten recently. I would bet they make the playoffs next season.
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Old 06-24-2005, 09:11 AM   #5
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Yeah, the theme to that whole post seems to be sort of: "If you're bad, move. If you're bad and were once good, you're living the past. Here's some names of players that were on the team when they were good." Weird
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The Kings to Vegas rumor only stems from the laziness of the Maloof brothers, correct?

I'm just hoping, as I have no idea if this is true or not, but I want to one day read a newspaper story that says that the Kings Franchise moved because Maloof didn't want to get out of bed, take a limo to his private plane and fly while sipping wine to see his team lose a playoff series.
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Quote:
Originally posted by MAGICMAN
Thinking about it, there are some things that I think
certain teams should do in order to compete and
receive a larger market.....or simply LEAVE.

KINGS: Rumors have them heading to Vegas in 2-3 years.
I think this is a GREAT idea. Yes, they have the best
fans, but its limited to Northern CA...and it hasn't
done much for them, especially against the Lakers and
Mavs.
Moving to Vegas would create an unbelievable market
for them. They would need to keep their current talent
and add to it. Lose Adelman. Consider Chuck Daly (if
he's not already making plans w/ death).
That could rejuvenate an amazing LA/KINGS rivalry,
assuming LA makes the right moves w/in the org.
Think about it.....gamble, drink, kill someone in the
desert, then walk down the street to the Kings game.

CLIPPERS: MOVE. PERIOD. ok, ok....a little
more.....they've ALWAYS sucked. They always will.
Their crosstown rival is THEE **** of the NBA, even in
losing seasons. When was the last time you heard
someone say they're a Clippers fan? Hell, have you
EVER heard that? (no you haven't....you're lying)

Move them ANYWHERE.....even a smaller market. Just
don't annnounce it as "The Clippers are moving to
Anchorage Aalaska!". Instead, just say "Billings
Montana is getting an NBA team!"

CLEVELAND: Their heyday was in the early 90's w/
Price, Doherty and Hogdes. And even then all they did
was beat a younger Jordan and then lose to Detroit.
Never did ****. Lebron can't do it alone. So either
get lucky and SMART w/ the draft, or MOVE.

GOLDEN STATE: Why? Why does this team exist? RUN-TMC
was YEARS ago, and all of those players left years
ago. Such a waste of a team surrounded by a market
that loves either LA or Sac.
Just let the players go and consider arena football.

BUCKS: Alcinder left decades ago. You should have
followed. The ONLY Buck fans are DIE-HARD fans who
turned to golf years ago. Suggestion.....either move
to Green Bay (great football fans...turn them into
hoops), or Pittsburgh (just please don't make us
Steelers fans embarrassed)

NUGGETS: I'll give you ONE more year to kick ass.
Otherwise, no one gives a **** about you; ALL they
care about are their BRONCOS. Just make it to the
Western Finals NEXT year....and the talking will
begin. And if you DO make that happen, you'll
absolutely HAVE to do it again the following
year......no teasing allowed. You haven't done ****
for too many years.....and Alex English is on SSI.
What's that?
Uh oh....did I fotget about Carmelo Anthony?
Uh....there's a reason for that.....
See my writing on Lebron and the Cavs above.

NEW ORLEANS: There's a reason why teams leave their
city for a new one (N.O. Jazz for Utah).
So unless you're the Cleveland Browns moving to
Baltimore, then acquiring ANOTHER team into Cleveland
due to fan base and past success......don't bother.

RAPTORS: GAME OVER, MAN. No Carter....no TEAM.

HAWKS: Time to move on. Wilkins, Malone and Willis
have....follow.


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What are you? Denis Leary? Take a valium or something and sit in the corner. The Hawks? Who cares? None of us, that's for sure. I guess you're unveiling some mystic art to ripping on bottom-feeding teams. Why does Golden State exist? Did you watch the last two months of the season? Probably not. Your post reads like it's out of 1995. But hey, you're the MAGICMAN. It's all good. Oh, and it's Craig Ehlo, not Hodges that was in Cleveland.
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Kings- rebuilding, did the right thing and dumped Webber. they'll be fine.

Clippers- better then the Lakers this year. LA is one of the best markets to play in the US. you are nuts.

Cleveland- almost made the playoffs two years in a row now. Lebron selling out the place.

Golden State- one of the most improved teams this year.

Bucks- #1, Michael Redd will probably stay, getting a new coach. not bad.

Nuggets- a playoff team for the past two years. made a great move and got George Karl to tutor Carlemo. no reason to go anywere.

New Orleans- they just moved a few years ago.

Raptors- only team in Canada. Stern wouldn't let them move.

Atlanta- w/ all those lottery picks they'll get it going someday... it worked for the Magic

pointless post... i think the only intelligent thing said was that Pittsburgh could have an NBA team.
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Atlanta is not that far away talent-wise from at least being somewhat competitive. Personally, I think they need to get a PG and pass on Marvin Williams if he is available to them. Josh Childress and Josh Smith both came on strong down the stretch this past season. Assuming Smith and Childress take the next step up those two with Harrington could potentially give the Hawks three legit 15+ ppg scorers and three guys who can get them 7+ rpg. However, that is if the Bucks take Bogut first as predicted. If Bogut is there for the Hawks it would be awfully hard to pass on a 7 footer who can at least give them more of presence than Predrag Drobanjak, Kevin Willis, and Jason Collier give them in the middle.

The Baron Davis deal infused some life into the Warriors they suddenly became competitive again and went 18-10 after the trade and won some tough road games in Sacramento, Phoenix, and Washington. If they can get a guy like Channing Frye or Villanueva who can give them size and strength around the hoop then the Warriors could be right there in the playoff hunt.

I doubt there will ever be a team in Vegas as long as Stern is commish. Stern is too paranoid about the gambling issues in putting a team in Vegas. Besides that I am not entirely convinced a team would survive in Vegas long term. There are way too many other things to do in Las Vegas and most people are going there to gamble not catch a basketball game.
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Why does this strike me as a Niners fan running out into the middle of the Raiders' stadium and shouting anti-Raiders profanities and then running away as quickly as possible?

Magicman? Are you there? Did you by any chance have more facts or logic to back up your stances?
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He probably read some of our opinions and is too afraid to take criticism.
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Having lived in and around many of the areas discussed in this rant, I'll pitch in my thoughts here.

VEGAS- Lakertown East. Southern Californians consider Vegas their second home of sorts. They will not support another team. Considering no one was actually born in Vegas til 1989, most of their population are those who got out of southern Cali after their boom ended in the late 80s and early 90s. I used to watch the mass exodus of cars on the 10 going from L.A. to Vegas every Friday night picking my wife up from work when I lived in southern California. Vegas is simply L.A.'s biggest sports suburb. Not to mention the gambling pont. I doubt it ever happens.

CLEVELAND- I think the Cavs have done well here considering what they are up against. Here is the sports breakdown for Cleveland...
1. Browns- by far and away
2. High school football
3. Ohio State football
4. Indians
5. Cavs

So basically despite poor front office moves and a relatively poor product, the team managed to build a new arena and get decent support despite being a DISTANT 5th sports option in the city.

PITTSBURGH- No chance in hell of a team ever surviving there. They couldn't even hold down Connie Hawkins and the ABA years ago. The native Keystoners on here are wishfully dreaming of a team. Here's the breakdown in Pittsburgh...
1.Steelers
2. Penguins
3. High school football
4. NASCAR
5. Pirates
6. Pitt football
7. Pitt basketball
8. NBA

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN in the Steel City. Your 8th without a team. No arena. No money for an arena (they voted not to fund PNC and Heinz but the powers that be still put public money in there).
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CLEVELAND- I think the Cavs have done well here considering what they are up against. Here is the sports breakdown for Cleveland...
1. Browns- by far and away
2. High school football
3. Ohio State football
4. Indians
5. Cavs

Alright, I know you still live in the area and I don't, but no way is HS football bigger than the Indians in Cleveland proper, and I wouldn't say so for Cuyahoga County at all. Or Summit County for that matter, even in the suburbs. Granted, I left right when the Tribe started losing again.

[This has been another thread of national interest ruined by Kevin and Buckeye's Ohio homogenization. Thank you for your time.]
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I'll grant you Cleveland proper Kevin, but I think the suburbs go more for high school football, even in Summit County. Nowadays anyway.I'll also grant you Indians during their run in the 90s if pressed.Back in the 70s and 80s though, no contest. Kind of hard to compare the two, but the fact that you can get close to 30,000 fans in a blizzard at Fawcett Stadium in Canton for football and only 25,000-35,000 for a decent Tribe team battling the champion Red Sox this pass weekend says something.

When I was in high school, we could decide to go up and see a game an hour and fifteen minutes before first pitch and walk right in and sit behind the dugout. To see a matchup of the two best high school football teams in Youngstown those years, I would have to leave an hour and fifteen minutes before kickoff at YSU to get in and get a seat while living no more than 8 miles from the stadium.

Apples and oranges I guess. But having no connection to either school and given the option of an Indians game on a Friday night in September or an Ignatius-McKinley battle, I'd pick the football game. I think most people in the entire northeast region of the state would too. Considering how localized and small in scope high school football is compared to a Major League Baseball franchise, I think the Indians don't generate the amount of interest one would expect in comparison to football.
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Well, you noticed I left Stark County out of the equation, and your two examples cite Stark County teams or venues. No arguments there.

I've covered HS football in Summit County (only paid writing position I ever had), and one of the teams on my beat was playoff-bound Springfield. I visited Tallmadge and Green as well, which were good teams the years I covered them.

The interested was sustainable and probably even profitable, but it wasn't nuts, and they all paled in comparison to the game I covered at Jackson HS, a marginal Stark County program. I'm sure the number of letters the ABJ gets about the Indians, from Summit County residents, outnumber the letters they get about Summit County high school sports ten-to-one, if that's any measure.
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