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Old 08-24-2004, 06:41 PM   #46
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gconnhokiebird--
In another thread, I noted that your namecalling is cause for dismissal from the board.

All the others have duly noted you were out of line, so I don't need to.

Please do take some time out of your incredibly busy schedule, however, to read this passage from the Community Guidelines

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You have been duly warned TWICE now.

Tread carefully going forward.

Thanks. Sorry if this post is too long for you.

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Old 08-24-2004, 09:46 PM   #47
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Default Re: Re: Favre Defense/Ball-Washing Crew to the Rescue...

Dave is right. Drop the attacks, immaturity, and blatant posts with no substance or explanation behind them. We're not here to babysit. Either bring yourself up to our standards are go find a more suitable board ... like ESPN.

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Oh, but I am serious. Brett Farve LOOKS like a role player!
You don't happen to be legally blind, do you?
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Old 08-25-2004, 08:31 AM   #48
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Omigod - I come back from Spyware Hell (which totally disabled my computer - and that's why I haven't gotten on the site since Sunday) and find this! (Downloaded a fix and ran it, so hopefully I've gotten rid of it).

But I'll jump in anyway; please, no namecalling - at least not to fellow community members [on the other hand, if you want to go on the baseball board and call Larry Bowa an incompetent bum and say he should be fired for thoroughly butchering the talent Ed Wade has given him this year, then by all means do it - although I just beat you to it!. ]

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Old 08-25-2004, 08:38 AM   #49
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Default Re: Re: Re: Favre Defense/Ball-Washing Crew to the Rescue...

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You don't happen to be legally blind, do you?

Hahahaha ... you twisted ....

I think it fairly obvious that there is LITTLE that Brett Farve can do to propel his team ... that is to a championship caliber. I'd characterize his play, or that of his team, as one that promotes Tampa Bay's 'game' simply because they do not have a 'game' of their own (perhaps THIS example is best used in the -past- tense).

Brett Farve IS NOT AN IMPACT PLAYER anymore ... he is a LAME DUCK!
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Old 08-25-2004, 08:40 AM   #50
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Hahahaha ... you twisted ....

I think it fairly obvious that there is LITTLE that Brett Farve can do to propel his team ... that is to a championship caliber. I'd characterize his play, or that of his team, as one that promotes Tampa Bay's 'game' simply because they do not have a 'game' of their own (perhaps THIS example is best used in the -past- tense).

Brett Farve IS NOT AN IMPACT PLAYER anymore ... he is a LAME DUCK!

A "lame duck" who will bandage his leg and hobble up to the podium at Canton the moment he is eligible under NFL by-laws to do so!
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Old 08-25-2004, 10:42 AM   #51
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Omigod - I come back from Spyware Hell (which totally disabled my computer - ..... ]
Lay off the pr0n sites, 'tony.


Just sayin'.


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Old 08-26-2004, 09:51 PM   #52
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Brett Farve IS NOT AN IMPACT PLAYER anymore ... he is a LAME DUCK!
If you lead the league in touchdowns, you ARE an impact player! Err... Is Favre the vocal point of the team? No, Green is, but he is still the heart and soul of them. He isn't quite as good as '96 or so, but he is not much worse, he can still throw it with the best of them.
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Old 08-27-2004, 01:24 AM   #53
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Default Re: Top 15 QBs according to Peter Queen of SI

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1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. S. McNair
4. B. Favre
5. T. Green
6. J. Plummer
7. D. Culpepper
8. C. Pennington
9. D. McNabb
10. M. Vick
11. J. Garcia
12. M. Hasslebeck
13. M. Bulger
14. B. Johnson
15. M. Brunell
DEATH to Peter Queen.


this is total screwy. Here's what I think the list should be:

1. P. Manning
2. T. Brady
3. S. McNair
4. B. Favre
5. C. Pennington
6. M. Vick
7. D. Culpepper
8. T. Green
9. D. McNabb
10. M. Hasslebeck
11. J. Garcia
12. J. Plummer
13. M. Bulger
14. M. Brunell
15. B. Johnson

Looks better to me.
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Old 08-28-2004, 01:23 PM   #54
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that was a good list savebykabi...even though I think you can put Culpepper up a few spots and Favre up a notch
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Old 08-30-2004, 04:58 AM   #55
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Dave, tell us what you really think about Peter Queen ...
Gee, if he's setting up housekeeping in Brett Favre's jock, then what must you think of me and Steve McNair? I mean, it's pretty roomy in here even for a 300-pound ex-rugby player, but I've got a wife and kid.
I wonder if I can build an addition onto McNair's jock without anyone noticing.
All joking aside, I'm not enamored with those QBs who live on the short passing game (are you listening, Messrs. Brady and Gannon?). There are any number of quarterbacks that could have matched or nearly matched Gannon's output in Oakland during that 1999-2003 window.
By the way, even though I put Brady in the same category as Gannon, I think Brady's much better because he is a lot better than Gannon at taking what he wants from a defense, as opposed to taking what the defense is giving him. And he doesn't make as many mistakes as Gannon.
I've got a soft spot for Marc Bulger because I saw him throw for almost 300 yards in a high school game. I might put him in my top 10, but not top 5. Seriously, I think Bulger can be top 5 someday, if he survives the next few years with a rebuilding Rams' team.
In defense of McNabb, he has been saddled with a weak receiving corps. But he's one of those intangible guys with good physical tools. But this is a key year, now that he has T.O.; he could solidify his HOF credentials, or he could go crashing off into obscurity.
My top 5 list:
1) Peyton Manning (you thought I was going to say McNair, didn't you? I was, but P-Man's playoff run was too spectacular to ignore)
2) McNair
3) Favre (He's still got a lot left, as evidenced by his statistics with a team that wasn't as good as it was five years ago)
4) Brady (I know it seems like I don't like Brady; I just don't think he's better than the three listed above, and a lot of people do. Truth is: He's one of the best big-game hunters in football history)
5) Culpepper (big, good feet, great arm, with a decent team around him. He's going to be fun to watch this year.

Here's my top 5 list for 2009 (in no particular order)
1) Byron Leftwich
2) Ben Roethlisberger
3) Kyle Boller
4) Marc Bulger
5) Tom Brady
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Old 08-30-2004, 08:36 AM   #56
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Good call ESP0704 on Roethlisberger. He will be a stud in a couple of years.
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Old 08-30-2004, 02:49 PM   #57
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I'm a Steelers fan, so my adoration of Roethlisberger is colored in some black and gold. I was a Leftwich guy because he came from Marshall, the #2 school in my home state.

When it comes down to it, I feel this way about your list for 2009, esp:
If only...

Roethlisberger is the one guy in the league right now who I feel will one day be compared to a certain Brett Favre. Sure, I take my shots at the magical #4, because I disagree that he's got that much left, and no one else seems to want to call him on his failures and mistakes, but... Big Ben could be Favre in 2009.

Leftwich, if he moved better, could be sort of a McNair/Culpepper type. I figure in the end he'll tend toward Marino, though. Whatever I mean by that.

I like Boller, although Anthony thinks he's a loss already.

I hope for Bulger... he went to WVU after all, but he shows in the NFL some of the problems that plagued him as a Mountaineer: bad decision-making under pressure, sometimes extreme aloofness that borders on apathy.

Interesting that you spend a couple posts noting how much you're not a fan of Brady, and he's the oldest of the guys you've got on your list. Looking for some longevity from him, eh?

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The quality tough guy QB that nobody talks about but is a pretty darn good player:

David Carr
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Old 08-30-2004, 04:17 PM   #59
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Good call. Nobody talks about him, but he's got decent talent around him. By '09, they all may be clicking. Carr-Johnson-Hollings (or Davis) may be '09's Holy Offensive Trinity.

Or not.
Texas has struggled getting their o-line established and in place.

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I don't know Houston made a vast improvement in O-Line play last season. They went from surrendering 76 sacks down to 36 and they improved their rushing yards per average from 3.2 to a respectable 3.9. Rushing TDs went from 6 to 14 and yardage went up by 300 on relatively the same number of carries. While it is not great it at least is a sign Houston is moving in the right direction in terms of its line play. The sack numbers would have been lower had Carr not gotten hurt. The most encouraging thing has to be that Carr went from taking 76 sacks in '02 to only taking 15 in 12 games last season. Tony Banks and Dave Ragone accounted for 21 sacks in just four games. The additions of Mark Bruener and Todd Wade should help in this area. I think if Carr and the line stay healthy this could be his breakout year in Houston.
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